that is a great thing because energy makes us all richer. last night my wife and i paid our natural gas bill for the month. it was not super cheap, but it was not that expensive. it allows us to have money to spend on other things we were rather spend money on, rather than having to suffer in energy poverty. natural gas has enabled the united states to be the largest producer of natural gas. that is a good thing. so far the environmental track record of hydraulic fracturing has been very good. >> kate sat -- kate hudson of river keeper in new york state. what is the problem? what is the evidence that there is a problem with fracking? >> one of the problems is, who has the responsibility to come up with evidence? every day there is more evidence of the negative, adverse impact of fracking. every day in new york there is more evidence on the table. >> could you explain what is? we should have started there. >> i do not think there is much debate that hydraulic fracturing, which has only been going on for seven or eight years, is an extremely i